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    Re: And so it begins

    Quote Originally Posted by recumbent615 View Post
    Duane,

    Thanks - I've started started the "Duane" upgrades for my 3010 ... . so far I have added two additional electrical outlets on the entertainment center, moved the basement Vac outlet, and rerouted the winterizing hose. Tomorrow I will tackle the wall under the sink and install a new floor after rerouting the plumbing so it is out of the way. The LED will have to wait until I can find a suitable one. I also plan on running two additional Circuits ( 20A ) out to the Garage area to power the computer equipment at the desk ( I still need to build that ) and a supplemental wall mount heater. All that under carriage work will have to wait until we have some slightly warmer weather - The Desk I hope to start later this month.

    Thanks for the Inspiration and in some cases the Ideas that I am stealing outright.

    Kevin
    If you don't get it before hand, let me know before the next rally and I'll grab the LED.

    Outlets - yes we need outlets. I did a 20 amp in the garage this past summer. That single outlet at the top of the storage cabinet in the far corner - just doesn't cut it.

    I have a flat wall mount heater in my motorcycle trailer. Does a fair job.

    I'm waiting another month or so before pulling the cover off. Have no desire to work on it yet.
    I do have a 2KW inverter to start thinking about installing. Maybe even permanently add my solar panel to the roof. Right now I have a 15 watt panel tied to the AC unit.
    I leave the batteries in and this year I didn't not have to plug in the shore power.

    Don't remember if you have a genny. But one of my projects is to also wire in a receptacle so that I can plug in circuits from the house for the next power failure.
    After Irene passed through I was using my Honda 3000 for several days. Worked OK but the Cyclone has 25 gallons of gasoline. Just wish it was 240!
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    Re: And so it begins

    Duane,

    Do you recall how the awing is wired ? I saw that you said that it is always powered - I assume that you mean that it always has power to both in and out leads. I see that the switch has the following connections

    Ground
    12v DC
    motor wire A
    motor wire B

    I assume that with the switch in the neutral position there is 12v on both motor wires
    and on movement only one of the motors has power.

    Does the other motor wire get ground? or does it float?

    Asking before I go out and start looking at it my self .

    I can not find any documentation on how this works. I did find the installation docs but it provides no insight on what is actually going on at the motor.


    thanks for any insight you may have


    Kevin
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    Re: And so it begins

    Quote Originally Posted by recumbent615 View Post
    Do you recall how the awing is wired ? I saw that you said that it is always powered - I assume that you mean that it always has power to both in and out leads. I see that the switch has the following connections

    Ground
    12v DC
    motor wire A
    motor wire B

    I assume that with the switch in the neutral position there is 12v on both motor wires and on movement only one of the motors has power.

    Does the other motor wire get ground? or does it float? Asking before I go out and start looking at it my self .

    I can not find any documentation on how this works. I did find the installation docs but it provides no insight on what is actually going on at the motor.
    Hey Kevin
    The simple answer is - I don't remember

    Are you trying to do the same thing I did with the additional switch? My post mentioned that I had a couple of blown fuses before I realized the motor has the brake. Not sure how that worked either, but that was the reason for a "in/out" selector switch for the basement switch.

    As long as you are not in a hurry I can look to see exactly what I did with the wiring. The trailer will be wrapped up at least for several more weeks.

    http:////heartlandowners.org/showthr...ll=1#post93541
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    2011
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    Re: And so it begins

    Duane,

    I am looking to do a similar mod to yours but was thinking about how this was wired giving your original comments, and believe that it may be possible to change the switch out with relays and then have two normal two position momentary switches control the relays. it is a bit of a challenge making/planning mods to systems that are totally undocumented! I'll take out my MM this week and start poking around.

    thanks

    Kevin
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    2012: 4
    2013: 4
    2014: 3
    2015: 2
    2016: 3

    2017:
    Shelburne Falls, MA ( Weekend Shakeout )
    Lake George, NY ( Americade Week )
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    Chicago, IL ( Chicago Land )
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    Re: And so it begins

    This DPDT thing we are discussing for those that don't know what we are referring too.

    A DC motor rotates based on how the plus and minus leads are attached. Connected one way and the motor spins clockwise. Reverse the leads and the motor reverses.
    The switch on the inside of my trailer is a double pole-double throw.

    A DPDT switch will have 6 terminals. These are a 3 position "on-off-on" switch. And they can be a momentary on (you hold the switch on, think horn button)

    By using just one side of the switch you can turn on two different items, on-off-on.
    By using both sides you can turn on 2 items as above
    Or, by cross jumping the terminals you can reverse the current to one item.

    In this picture, Black battery = negative, Red breaker = 12 volt positive from the breaker or fuse.
    The orange and brown are neither + or - until you connect power.

    Using this picture:
    3 and 4 are battery - and +

    Flip the switch up and and the circuits completes as 3 to 5, 4 to 6, 12v+ to brown, 12v- to orange
    Flip the switch down and and the circuits completes as 3 to 1, 4 to 2 - but you can now see that 12v+ is now supplied to orange and 12v- to brown.
    This reverses the DC motor.

    You do this with the wiring, it is not internal to the switch.

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    2010
    - 5
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    - 6
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    Re: And so it begins

    Quote Originally Posted by recumbent615 View Post
    Duane,

    I am looking to do a similar mod to yours but was thinking about how this was wired giving your original comments, and believe that it may be possible to change the switch out with relays and then have two normal two position momentary switches control the relays. it is a bit of a challenge making/planning mods to systems that are totally undocumented! I'll take out my MM this week and start poking around.

    thanks

    Kevin
    Of course relays will work, but I think that just complicates it unnecessarily. Unless you like playing around.

    On my new truck I wanted to activate the electric locks on my tool box. The locks use a DC reversing solenoid.
    The new trucks use a body computer to control all operations. So when you activate the door locks all you are doing is sending a pulse to the lock circuit. The truck locks work effectively with this pulse. The tool box, being "old school" need 12 volts applied for more then a fraction of a second.

    What I did was use relays. It took 4 relays to get the desired result! I used the standard automotive relay as I had all that I needed instead of some big fancy multi pole relay
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    - 1
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    2012 - 7
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    Re: And so it begins

    Duane,

    Opened the switch panel and here is what I found. pins 3 & 4 go to the motor (normally open) pins 5 & 6 have 12v and GND, and hardwired with a jumper on the back pins 1 & 2 have ground and 12 V. Given this I can not see why we can not just add a second switch outside to provide power to the motor in the same way since there is no power to the motor in the neutral position? provided the switch is exactly the same it should work. Am I missing something?

    The top of the switch is at the bottom of the photo

    IMG_0797[1].jpg

    Kevin
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    2011:
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    2012: 4
    2013: 4
    2014: 3
    2015: 2
    2016: 3

    2017:
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    Lake George, NY ( Americade Week )
    Elkhart, IN ( National Rally )
    Chicago, IL ( Chicago Land )
    Down East Maine ( Moose Head Lake Area)
    Mystic, CT ( Mass 2017 Chapter Rally ) July 20 - July 24


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    Re: And so it begins

    Quote Originally Posted by recumbent615 View Post
    Opened the switch panel and here is what I found. pins 3 & 4 go to the motor (normally open) pins 5 & 6 have 12v and GND, and hardwired with a jumper on the back pins 1 & 2 have ground and 12 V. Given this I can not see why we can not just add a second switch outside to provide power to the motor in the same way since there is no power to the motor in the neutral position? provided the switch is exactly the same it should work. Am I missing something?


    DPDT_awning_switch.jpg

    Is this right?
    1 (top left) = white 12 volt +
    2 = blue 12 volt -
    3 = white (with lettering)
    4 = white with blue trace
    5 = jumped from blue
    6 = jumped from white

    I'll try and get in to look at my switch later. I don't remember what it look like.

    But - looking at this, it seems you only would need to run two wires from the remote location, and join them to the two motor wires at pin 3 & 4. You could pick up 12 volt + & - at the new switch location if desired.

    Since both the original and additional switch would be normally open it wouldn't matter where the 12 volt supply to the motor came from.

    Really have to look at my switch, mine was not that simple, or as simple as I am making this out to be. My awning is a Carefree, yours?
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    2011 F-350 DRW

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    2010
    - 5
    2011
    - 6
    2012 - 7
    2013 - 8
    2014 - 9
    2015 - 8
    2016 - 8
    2017 - 9
    2018 - 8 so far

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    Re: And so it begins

    you are correct - it appears simple - I just ordered a switch to install in the cellar - it will be here on Friday.

    I have not determined exactly what awning I have - but I expected that it was a Carefree since that is the brand that is listed on all the documentation for the 2010 Cyclone 3010. I guess I can call heartland and ask.

    Kevin
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    Rallies / Camp outs:
    2011:
    2
    2012: 4
    2013: 4
    2014: 3
    2015: 2
    2016: 3

    2017:
    Shelburne Falls, MA ( Weekend Shakeout )
    Lake George, NY ( Americade Week )
    Elkhart, IN ( National Rally )
    Chicago, IL ( Chicago Land )
    Down East Maine ( Moose Head Lake Area)
    Mystic, CT ( Mass 2017 Chapter Rally ) July 20 - July 24


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    Re: And so it begins

    Update - new switch arrived and has been installed - no need for toggle switch in my case. just tapped 12v and ground from the overhead light in the garage and sent the center terminals from the switch up to the stock switch and spliced the two wires ( original and new ) for the center of the original OEM switch - easy peasy

    Kevin
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    2011:
    2
    2012: 4
    2013: 4
    2014: 3
    2015: 2
    2016: 3

    2017:
    Shelburne Falls, MA ( Weekend Shakeout )
    Lake George, NY ( Americade Week )
    Elkhart, IN ( National Rally )
    Chicago, IL ( Chicago Land )
    Down East Maine ( Moose Head Lake Area)
    Mystic, CT ( Mass 2017 Chapter Rally ) July 20 - July 24


    PMC Week, Strubridge MA 8/4 - 8/6 - this years Goal is $48 Million Dollars for Cancer Research
    Check out the Team Sunflower - web site



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