OK guys ( n Gals) it's been 24 hours since I posted... How come Jim Too is the only one who got it... No one else barked ? half a dozen to one 7 to the other, both are equal ??? 2 + 2 = 5... comon, a little brevity here... how about this, my wife went into a mens store and asked, "Do you have a tie which will bring out Tom's blue eyes ?" The clerk said "madam, any tie will bring out his eyes, if you tie it tight enough"... Back to reality, The real answer is 213 degrees ( 190 + 12= 213) ... Jeez, ya gotta love this forum, but ya gotta have fun first...